Beyond The Call Podcast

The podcast for Law Enforcement professionals and those who support them. 

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The Season-One Finale is another special Beyond the Call: On the Scene episode with coverage from the first ever Police Foundation Leadership Conference hosted and sponsored by the National Police Credit Union. Specifically, we share portions of the panel discussion where John Garrido, President of the Garrido Stray Rescue Foundation, and Todd Parola, Co-Founder of the Spirit of Blue Foundation, share many valuable insights on fundraising. Learn more about John’s organization and more about Todd’s foundation. (September 2, 2019)

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This week's episode of Beyond The Call features Cathy and Javier Bustos, founders of That Peer Support Couple, who share their experiences both as members of Law Enforcement and a married couple in the same profession. They also provide insight into the issues that arise after a spouse experiences a critical incident, as well as advice on how to handle the situation. (August 26, 2019)

This week's episode of Beyond The Call is the second in a two-part series featuring Robert Thibodeau, who discusses the many joys and challenges associated with a career in Law Enforcement. He also shares details on his transition from Police Officer to Entrepreneur and Podcaster. (August 19, 2019)

This week's episode of Beyond The Call is the first in a two-part series featuring Robert Thibodeau, who shares his personal journey of serving the military, opening a  business, and becoming a Law Enforcement Officer. Robert discusses how his Army career prepared him to be a Police Officer. (June 12, 2019)

This Week's episode of Beyond The Call is the second in a two-part series featuring Deborah Costello, founder of Police Wives of America (PWOA). Deb discusses the discusses the reach and scope of services provided by the organization, which was created to assist families in Law Enforcement across the country following the loss of a loved one. (August 5, 2019)

This week's episode of Beyond The Call is the first in a two-part series featuring Deborah Costello, founder of Police Wives of America (PWOA), which was established to provide vital support to families in Law Enforcement in the face of tragedy. Deb discusses the founding of the organization, as well as information on the many programs offered by PWOA. (July 29, 2019)

This week's episode of Beyond The Call features Cyndi Doyle, Licensed Therapist, Podcaster, and Law-Enforcement spouse. Cyndi shares ideas on how couples in Law Enforcement can enhance their relationships, as well as information on her business and the many services she offers. (July 22, 2019)

This week's episode of Beyond The Call features Stacy Runyen, Founder of Back the Badge Yuba Sutter. Stacy discusses the process of establishing a police foundation in a small town.(July 15, 2019)

This week's episode of Beyond The Call features a recap of the 16th Annual Police Officers’ Credit Union Conference, where Beyond The Call co-host Ken Bator moderated a panel of Law Enforcement experts. Guests included Patrick Burke, Executive Director of the Washington DC Police Foundation; Danny Gregg, Chairperson of the Police FCU; and Vince LeVien, Board Trustee member of the Silver Shield Foundation. The panel discussed a number of current issues affecting Law Enforcement and how Police Departments overcome them in today's climate. (July 8, 2019)

This week's episode of Beyond The Call features Joe Di Lillo, Public Information Officer for the South Euclid Police Department. Joe shares tips and techniques for utilizing social media and public speaking. Among other successes, Joe is known for his role in the 2017 Montgomery FaceTime Standoff, at which time he used his extensive training to talk the suspect into giving himself up and allowing police to take him into custody. (July 1, 2019)

Celebrating its 50th Episode, this week's Beyond The Call features Heidi Paulson, Law-Enforcement spouse and author of Dependence Day, which focuses on the struggles and victories of being married to a critically-injured Police Officer. Heidi also shares her progress in fighting for legislation on behalf of First Responder families with spouses severally wounded in the line of duty. (June 24, 2019)

This week's episode of Beyond The Call features Charlene Floyd, Executive Director of the Houston Police Foundation. The Houston Police Foundation strives to promote awareness, enhance safety, and improve performance within the Houston Police Department by encouraging citizen involvement and support in making Houston a safer city for all. Learn more about the Foundation's local programming for Law Enforcement during this week's conversation with Charlene. (June 17, 2019)

This week’s episode of Beyond the Call features Allison Uribe, a Law-Enforcement spouse and founder of Wives On Duty Ministries. Allison discusses her newly-revised book, Because I Am Suitable: The Journey of a Wife on Duty. Learn more about Allison and her work. (June 10, 2019)

This week's episode of Beyond The Call includes an interview with Margaret Stark, Owner and Manager of First Responder Grants, which has been assisting public safety agencies win over $2 billion in grant funding since 1988. Margaret shares her journey in starting this company, as well as provides key tips for securing Law-Enforcement grants. Learn more about the services provided by Margaret and her team by visiting her website. (June 3, 2019)

This week's episode of Beyond The Call includes an interview with Margaret Stark, Owner and Manager of First Responder Grants, which has been assisting public safety agencies win over $2 billion in grant funding since 1988. Margaret shares her journey in starting this company, as well as provides key tips for securing Law-Enforcement grants. Learn more about the services provided by Margaret and her team by visiting her website. (June 3, 2019)

This week's episode of Beyond The Call is the second in a two-part series featuring husband and wife team, Jeff and Shawn Thomas, both of whom are in Law Enforcement. In this segment, we learn more about the programs and education provided by 1st Responder Conferences. Learn about this dynamic couple and their work by visiting their website. (May 27, 2019)

This week's episode of Beyond The Call is the first in a two-part series featuring husband and wife team, Jeff and Shawn Thomas, both of whom are in Law Enforcement. Jeff and Shawn discuss the motivation behind their creation of 1st Responder Conferences, and Jeff’s successful battle with alcoholism. Learn more about the Thomas family by visiting their website. (May 20, 2019)

This week's episode of Beyond The Call features a conversation with Mick Yinger, former Police Officer and current Executive Director of The Bridge. Mick shares valuable information on their programs and retreats, which assist in taking First Responders from hurting to healing. (May 13, 2019)

This week's episode of Beyond The Call features a conversation with Tracie Texas Shugart, retired Police Officer and current Executive Director of the Louisville Metro Police Foundation. Tracie shares some of the innovative, yet simple programs led by the Foundation to assist both families in Law Enforcement and the community. (April 6, 2019)

This week’s episode of Beyond The Call features a conversation with Angela Bennett, Director of Programming and Development for the Cleveland Police Foundation. Angela sheds light on the Foundation's programming, which includes such fun youth events as "Cops for Kids" and "Cookin’ with Cops," which helps to connect Law Enforcement with the community. The Cleveland Police Foundation is an alliance of business and civic leaders, organizations and individuals committed to the ideal that an educated, well-trained and modernly equipped police department leads to a safer community for all. More information on the Cleveland Police Foundation. (April 29, 2019)

This week’s episode of Beyond The Call features a conversation with Angela Bennett, Director of Programming and Development for the Cleveland Police Foundation. Angela sheds light on the Foundation's programming, which includes such fun youth events as "Cops for Kids" and "Cookin’ with Cops," which helps to connect Law Enforcement with the community. The Cleveland Police Foundation is an alliance of business and civic leaders, organizations and individuals committed to the ideal that an educated, well-trained and modernly equipped police department leads to a safer community for all. More information on the Cleveland Police Foundation. (April 29, 2019)

This week’s episode of Beyond The Call features a discussion with Lisa Rollings, Executive Director of the Central Indiana Police Foundation. Lisa discusses the variety of Law Enforcement-focused programs and events the organization hosts, including Invest in Blue; the Code-One Fund; and the Annual Thanksgiving Breakfast with a Cop. Learn more. (April 22, 2019)

This week’s episode of Beyond The Call features a discussion with Lisa Rollings, Executive Director of the Central Indiana Police Foundation. Lisa discusses the variety of Law Enforcement-focused programs and events the organization hosts, including Invest in Blue; the Code-One Fund; and the Annual Thanksgiving Breakfast with a Cop. Learn more. (April 22, 2019)

This week’s episode of Beyond The Call features a conversation with Clarke Paris, retired Sergeant, Las Vegas Metropolitan Police Department; and founder of The Pain Behind the Badge, an organization dedicated to assisting First Responders with PTSD and Suicide Prevention. Clark discusses his documentary, The Pain Behind the Badge, as well as his two books, My Life for Your Life; and Daddy, I Worry About You, which is created for children of Police Officers. Also included in the interview is a touching and relevant story about Clark's son. (April 15, 2019)

This week’s episode of Beyond The Call features a conversation with 30-year Law Enforcement Officer and entrepreneur Joe Badali, founder of Guardian Gear. Joe’s business provides lifesaving products and services designed to meet the unique needs of police officers, students, teachers, and many others in times of crisis. (April 8, 2019)

This week’s episode of Beyond The Call features a conversation with 30-year Law Enforcement Officer and entrepreneur Joe Badali, founder of Guardian Gear. Joe’s business provides lifesaving products and services designed to meet the unique needs of police officers, students, teachers, and many others in times of crisis. (April 8, 2019)

This week’s episode of Beyond The Call features a conversation with active Police Officer and Entrepreneur, Ryan Allen, who talks about his founding of Zero 9 Holsters. Ryan shares his story of how 'necessity was the mother of invention,' which led to the creation of his first holster. Today, Zero 9 Holsters provides multiple quality products to First Responders throughout the world. Learn more about Zero 9 Holsters. (April 1, 2019)

This week’s episode of Beyond The Call features a conversation with Vince LeVien, son of a decorated NYPD Detective. Vince discusses his work as Project Manager of The Finest Service Organization, which offers Killed in the Line of Duty Insurance to Police Credit Unions; and his appointment to the Board of Trustees of the Silver Shield Foundation, which provides educational funds and other services to children of Police Officers and Fire Fighters killed in the line of duty. Learn more about National Police Credit Union’s Killed in the Line of Duty Loan Protection. (March 25, 2019)

On the Scene, Part 2: Beyond The Call visits “Home Watch,” the Law Enforcement Spousal Conference presented by How 2 Love Your Cop, which was held on March 2, 2019, in Sacramento, CA. In the conclusion of our 2-part "On the Scene" series, hear portions of the Conference, including "The Incredible Power of a Law Enforcement Spouse," led by Vicki Newman, founder of How 2 Love Your Cop; "The Spiritual Side of the Police Life," led by Heather Blass; and the "Parenting Panel." Also enjoy interviews with attendees, including Dallas Police Association's Jennifer Brown. Tune into past episodes of Beyond The Call to learn more about Vicki Newman (Episode 016) and Heather Blass (Episode 032). More information on How 2 Love Your Cop. (March 18, 2019)

On the Scene, Part 2: Beyond The Call visits “Home Watch,” the Law Enforcement Spousal Conference presented by How 2 Love Your Cop, which was held on March 2, 2019, in Sacramento, CA. In the conclusion of our 2-part "On the Scene" series, hear portions of the Conference, including "The Incredible Power of a Law Enforcement Spouse," led by Vicki Newman, founder of How 2 Love Your Cop; "The Spiritual Side of the Police Life," led by Heather Blass; and the "Parenting Panel." Also enjoy interviews with attendees, including Dallas Police Association's Jennifer Brown. Tune into past episodes of Beyond The Call to learn more about Vicki Newman (Episode 016) and Heather Blass (Episode 032). More information on How 2 Love Your Cop. (March 18, 2019)

On the Scene: Beyond The Call visits “Home Watch,” the Law Enforcement Spousal Conference presented by How 2 Love Your Cop, which was held on March 2, 2019. Hear snippets from the Conference, including  the introduction by emcee France Siria; a portion of “Story of Strength,” featuring Scott and Liz Brown; and tips from “Self Care,” presented by Julie Bevers. In addition, Beyond The Call Co-Host Kacey Smith interviews attendees Ryan Cleveringa and Michelle Pham, who discuss families in Law Enforcement, as well as their takeaways from “Home Watch.” Tune  into past episodes of Beyond The Call to hear more about the Browns (Episode 034) and Julie Bevers (Episode 033). Learn more about How 2 Love Your Cop. (March 11, 2019)

On the Scene: Beyond The Call visits “Home Watch,” the Law Enforcement Spousal Conference presented by How 2 Love Your Cop, which was held on March 2, 2019. Hear snippets from the Conference, including  the introduction by emcee France Siria; a portion of “Story of Strength,” featuring Scott and Liz Brown; and tips from “Self Care,” presented by Julie Bevers. In addition, Beyond The Call Co-Host Kacey Smith interviews attendees Ryan Cleveringa and Michelle Pham, who discuss families in Law Enforcement, as well as their takeaways from “Home Watch.” Tune  into past episodes of Beyond The Call to hear more about the Browns (Episode 034) and Julie Bevers (Episode 033). Learn more about How 2 Love Your Cop. (March 11, 2019)

Life changed forever on October 24, 2014 for Scott and Liz Brown. That day, Scott’s partner, Deputy Danny Oliver, was murdered while conducting a routine check. Scott and his wife Liz share their story of healing and rebuilding through the help of family, friends, and each other. Learn more about their story. (March 4, 2019)

This week’s episode of Beyond The Call features a discussion with Julie Bevers, one of the featured speakers for “Home Watch,” the How 2 Love Your Cop Law Enforcement Spouse Conference scheduled for March 2nd in Sacramento, CA. As a crisis and trauma Chaplain and Marriage Counselor, Julie’s life work focuses on helping First Responder families throughout California and beyond. Learn more about Julie and register for Home Watch. (February 25, 2019)

This week’s episode of Beyond The Call features a discussion with Julie Bevers, one of the featured speakers for “Home Watch,” the How 2 Love Your Cop Law Enforcement Spouse Conference scheduled for March 2nd in Sacramento, CA. As a crisis and trauma Chaplain and Marriage Counselor, Julie’s life work focuses on helping First Responder families throughout California and beyond. Learn more about Julie and register for Home Watch. (February 25, 2019)

This week’s episode of Beyond The Call features a discussion with Heather Blass, one of the featured speakers scheduled for "Home Watch," the How 2 Love Your Cop Law Enforcement Spouse Conference scheduled for March 2, 2019, in Sacramento, CA. In addition to talking about her conference presentation, "The Spiritual Side of the Police Life, " Heather shares some of the joys and challenges associated with being the wife of a Law Enforcement Officer and mother of three girls. Learn more about and register to attend Home Watch. (February 18, 2019)

This week’s episode of Beyond The Call features a discussion with Heather Blass, one of the featured speakers scheduled for "Home Watch," the How 2 Love Your Cop Law Enforcement Spouse Conference scheduled for March 2, 2019, in Sacramento, CA. In addition to talking about her conference presentation, "The Spiritual Side of the Police Life, " Heather shares some of the joys and challenges associated with being the wife of a Law Enforcement Officer and mother of three girls. Learn more about and register to attend Home Watch. (February 18, 2019)

This week’s episode of Beyond The Call features a discussion with Brandielee Baker and Deborah Ortiz, co-Founders of the Code 9 Project, which was established to help “Make mental health a priority for all First Responders and their families.” Brandielee and Deborah share their story, as well as discuss the various training programs available to First Responders dealing with PTSD and other work-related stressors. Learn more about the Code 9 Project. (February 11, 2019)

This week’s episode of Beyond The Call features an interview with Phoenix Police Foundation President Tim Thomas. Tim discusses the mission of the organization, which provides financial assistance to the City of Phoenix Police Department and recognition to those who protect the community. He also talks about their ice-cream truck! Learn more about the Phoenix Police Foundation. (February 4, 2019)

This week’s episode of Beyond The Call features an interview with Phoenix Police Foundation President Tim Thomas. Tim discusses the mission of the organization, which provides financial assistance to the City of Phoenix Police Department and recognition to those who protect the community. He also talks about their ice-cream truck! Learn more about the Phoenix Police Foundation. (February 4, 2019)

Former Atlanta Police Officer and current Filmmaker Patrick Shaver discusses the making of his moving documentary, Officer Involved, which explores the highly secretive, often misunderstood and socially taboo topic of what officers experience in the wake of an officer-involved shooting. Learn more about Officer Involved and Patrick’s future projects.(January 28, 2019)

Former Atlanta Police Officer and current Filmmaker Patrick Shaver discusses the making of his moving documentary, Officer Involved, which explores the highly secretive, often misunderstood and socially taboo topic of what officers experience in the wake of an officer-involved shooting. Learn more about Officer Involved and Patrick’s future projects.(January 28, 2019)

This week’s episode of Beyond The Call features an interview with Rob Shaul, Founder and President of Mountain Tactical Institute. Rob shares details on his unique training programs for Law Enforcement, as well as other First Responders. He also discusses tips on how to stay fit for your specific job.Learn more about Rob and Mountain Tactical Institute. (January 21, 2019)

This week’s episode of Beyond The Call features a discussion with National Police Credit Union Division President, Jim Bedinger. Jim shares the story behind National Police Credit Union, which is a division of the 81-year-old Chicago Patrolmen's Federal Credit Union. He also discusses what members can look forward to in the year ahead from National Police Credit Union, which is the first and only full-service financial institution serving the needs of Law Enforcement Officers and the families across the country. (January 14, 2019)

This week’s episode of Beyond The Call features a discussion with Officer Joshua Rios, founder of Blue Angel Coffee. Josh discusses his career in Law Enforcement, his Military service, and his entrepreneurial pursuits. Learn more about Josh and his business. (December 17, 2018)

This week’s episode of Beyond The Call features a frank discussion with Sara Slone, Director of Public Relations for Concerns of Police Survivors (COPS). Susan discusses the challenges faced by family, friends, and co-workers of fallen officers, and the many programs available to them. Learn more about COPS. (December 10, 2018)

This week’s episode of Beyond The Call features an interview with Crisis Management Advisor and author of Crisis Ready, Melissa Agnes. Melissa discusses how Police Departments and Law Enforcement agencies can turn adverse situations into trust-building opportunities with the public. Learn more about Melissa Agnes. (December 3, 2018)

This week's episode of Beyond The Call features an enlightening interview with Eva Vennari, the "No BS Healer." Eva discusses the importance of coupling nutrition with physical and mental well-being for individuals in high-stress professions, such as LE. (November 26, 2018)

This week’s episode of Beyond The Call is entitled "The Thanksgiving Show," which includes co-hosts Kacey Smith and Ken Bator discussing what they are most thankful for this season. They also update listeners on some of this year's most exciting news relating to National Police Credit Union and the Police Officers’ Credit Union Association. (November 19, 2018)

Co-hosts Kacey Smith and Ken Bator look back at the past shows that featured US military veterans and share clips in this Veterans Day Tribute episode. (November 12, 2018)

Check out this week’s episode of Beyond The Call, which features an interview with Tallahassee Police Officer, Sean Wyman. Sean shares information about his work as a Trauma Informed Care Speaker and how the Law Enforcement profession can evolve for today’s world. Learn more about Sean. (November 5, 2018)


Check out this week’s episode of Beyond The Call, which features an interview with Matt Cubbler. Matt talks about his life as a US Army Veteran, Police Officer, and US Air Marshall, as well as his work to inspire youth, end bullying in our schools, and continue to build leaders as an entrepreneur. Learn more about Matt. (October 29, 2018)


Check out this week’s episode of Beyond The Call, which features an interview with Dr. Rhoberta Shaler, author, speaker, and "Relationship Help Doctor." Dr. Shaler shares valuable tips on how to deal with “Hijackals” both in the Police Department and at home. Learn more about Dr. Shaler.(October 22, 2018)


A discussion with suicide survivor, Air Force Veteran, and Master Resilience Implementer on how Law Enforcement Professionals can utilize gratitude and resilience to improve their lives. Learn more about Sean. (October 15, 2018)


Vicki Newman, author of A CHiP on My Shoulder and A Marriage in Progress, provides tips on how to overcome some of the unique challenges of being a Law Enforcement Spouse speaking from the perspective of her continued fulfilling marriage to a CHP Officer. Learn more about Vicki. (October 8,2018)


Check out this week’s episode of Beyond The Call, which features an interview with Joie Cheng, author of The Naked Truth. Joie discusses her struggles with abuse, suicidal thoughts, and bouts of depression. She also shares tips and techniques from her book and programs that help Law Enforcement Families struggling with similar issues. Learn more about Joie. (October 1, 2018)

A conversation with Craig Floyd, CEO of the National Law Enforcement Memorial Fund, about the new National Law Enforcement Museum. Craig shares insights into the motivation behind the project and several of the attractions visitors will enjoy. Learn more about the National Law Enforcement Museum and the National Law Enforcement Memorial Fund. (September 24, 2018)


Officer Jennifer Kuleff of the Phoenix Police Department shares her work with the inspiring Hoops for Hope program for troubled girls in the area. She also shares a few fun stories about her experience both as a mentor of these young women and as a police officer. (September 17, 2018)


Check out this week’s episode of Beyond The Call, which features an interview with former Patrol/K9 Officer, Tony Piatt. Tony discusses his thriving business: Paw-a-Day Inn K9 Suites. He also shares tips for dog owners, as well as a few stories from his time with the Danville Police Department. Learn more about Tony and his business. (September 10, 2018)


This week’s episode includes a series recap presented by Beyond the Call co-hosts Kacey Smith, Vice President of the National Police Credit Union; and Ken Bator, CEO of the Police Officers' CU Association. Enjoy highlights from the past ten weeks, as well as a few fun bloopers. (September 3, 2018)


A discussion with Jeff Jones, a Licensed Professional Counselor who is a Certified Addiction Counselor III and Certified Intervention Professional. As founder of The Family Recovery Solution, Jeff shares tips and actionable steps for families to assist their loved ones out of addiction. Learn more about Jeff and his unique process. (August 27, 2018)


Sandra Millers Younger, author of The Fire Outside My Window and the creator of The ComeBACK Formula, discusses her harrowing experience of escaping from the devastating Cedar Fire in Southern California in 2003. She also shares steps for resilience that she teaches survivors to bounce back from tragedy. Learn more about Sandra and her ComeBACK Formula. This episode is specifically dedicated to all the brave First Responders around the country and beyond who risk their lives to keep everyone safe from wildfires. (August 20, 2018)


Chicago Patrolmen's Federal Credit Union CEO Scott Arney. As CEO for the past 16 years, Scott discusses the continued growth of the Credit Union as a "full solution" financial institution for Police Officers and their families. (August 13, 2018)


An interview with retired Chicago Police Department Sergeant Thomas Wortham III and his daughter, Sandra Wortham. Thomas and Sandra discuss Peace in the Park After Dark, where Chicago Police Department officers interact with local children from the Chatham neighborhood during an engaging overnight event. (August 6, 2018)


An interview with former Crime Analyst, Kim O’Neill. Kim shares her experience working with the Long Beach Police Department, as well as her entrepreneurial journey towards business ownership. Learn more about her and her business. (July 30, 2018)


An interview with Coach Tony Blauer, the Founder of Blauer Tactical Systems. Coach Blauer discusses the unique elements that go into the self-defense training for Law Enforcement and other First Responders, specifically his patented Spear System. Learn more about Blauer Tactical Systems. (July 23, 2018)


An interview with Robert Michaels, the Founder and CEO of Serve & Protect and a former Norfolk Police Department Detective. Robert shares information on the 24/7 crisis line for Law Enforcement Officers and other First Responders. Robert provides many insights into the challenges Police Officers and their families face today, as well as a few entertaining stories from his time on the job. For those in need, the Serve & Protect crisis line is 615-373-8000.  Learn more about Serve & Protect. (July 16, 2018)


An interview with Sarah Stephenson, Director of PR for the National Alliance for Law Enforcement Support (NALES). Managed by spouses of Law Enforcement professionals, NALES offers several programs for Police Families throughout the nation. Sarah shares several details about the resources offered and how to get involved. She also shares some insights into being a Law Enforcement spouse. Learn more about NALES. (July 9, 2018)


An interview with the Anxiety Eliminator, Anthony Treas, MPH. Learn why this Iraq War veteran's mission is to radically change men's health. Anthony reveals his battle with PTSD and how his outlook on mental health changed. He is known for developing the S.T.R.O.N.G. Method, a proven step-by-step process to eliminate anxiety and regain control over health and mental well-being. Learn more about Anthony Treas. (July 2, 2018)

Co-Hosts

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Ken Bator

Ken Bator is the founder and CEO of the Police Officers’ Credit Union Association (POCUA). Established in 2004, the POCUA provides a forum for institutions serving law enforcement to collaborate and a clear voice of support for police officers throughout the country.

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Kacey Smith

Kacey Smith is Vice President of National Police Credit Union. A 12-year Credit Union veteran, Kacey is based in our Southwest Business Office in Tempe, AZ.